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Moderator (Maria Droujkova): Hello, everybody! Glad to see you here!
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Heather Blanton: hello maria
colleenk: Hi Maria. I'm looking forward to this.
PeggyG: Welcome Maria!

Cindy K.: Hi, Maria
Cal Stanley: hi Maria
Randy B.: Hi Maria
Chris Hazard: Hi Maria
PeggyG: @colleenk-this is right up your alley!
colleenk: @Peggy a bit   
lavonpage: Hi, Maria. Jo is here wih me.
Heather Blanton: hey Robb!
Robb Ponton: Hi Heather
Cal Stanley: I'm so glad to see others who are concerned about Math 2.0
martakcalvo: Hi Maria
Shamblesguru: yep
erin montagne: oops...I'm in the Pacific!
Cal: Canadian, but in Utah!
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): you must want a vacation, Erin
erin montagne: supposed to be Bay Area   
greg limperis: I have a teacher just today during my summer school program who was asking me for ideas on how she would do a Math 2.0
PeggyG: always great to see you Shamblesguru!!
Shamblesguru: This morning
greg limperis: I forgot to tell her about this meeting
greg limperis: Hey Shambles
greg limperis: Miss you on my site shambles
PeggyG: Hi Susie   
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Very interested as we are not making it in Math "No Child Left Behind" school in need of improvement.
jashby: Hi Andrew
Andrew Forgrave: Hi Jenny!
Ben: Hi LaConya, Thanks for coming
greg limperis: Hi LoConya
LaConya McCrae: Glad to be here!
Heather Blanton: I'm a new math coach for K-3 teachers.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: ?create content
Andrew Forgrave: Hi Mary Beth!
Cindy K.: Is Maria going to define WHAT  Math 2.0 is?
greg limperis: Maria, what grade do you do Math web 2.0 with
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: and What is Content?
PeggyG: how do we know if our definition is correct   
Fred Feldon: Math education involving social networking
mbteach: Hey Andy!
Cathy E: interactive and socail
greg limperis: I would say that using a social network to discuss math would be one way of using web 2.0
George Mayfield: math education using web 2.0 tools
Barb from Oz: Maths anywhere, anytime, for anyone
Cal Stanley: The ability of any skill level to place mathematics on any social networking site
Katherine: Math created and shared between people.
ccross: Math that you create and/or contribute to, rather than just passively receive
Susie: math that is interactive among teachers and students
PeggyG: for me math 2.0 is collaborating and connecting with others on problem solving, math thinking & learning
Jeff Cooper: looks good to me Fred... interactive, participatory, engaging... you know... the stuff that you don't get with textbooks.
Heather Blanton: collaborative explorations of mathematical concepts through interactive applications?
kim caise: math that is interactive and communicative
Chris Hazard: Breaking math into concepts, and components, and methods that can be shared interactively between people
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): Math 2.0 is the ability of users to create their own math-rich social objects, using web technologies.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Our Math is a textbook "Everyday Math"
mbteach: Using Web 2.0 to build knowledge and share knowledge of math concepts
greg limperis: I am using Ning for a Lit Circle where we have gone  web 2.0
erin montagne: multi-sensory
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: What is a math rich social object?
Sarah: Maria- what do you mean by social objects?
Fred Feldon: Our college has an island in Second Life
greg limperis: How about a math cartoon using pixton?
greg limperis: that is www.pixton.com
Fred Feldon: what's pixton?
Shamblesguru: 2.0 =>collaboration+global+digital media+fun+(k to grey)
PeggyG: I really love the mathcasts as a way to collaborate on math problem solving
greg limperis: Pixton is a social cartoon making website.  It is great.  Check it out.
Fred Feldon: ok
greg limperis: I have an example of pixton on my site
martakcalvo: In what way these social communication is an 'object'?
Sarah: It's just not a term I've ever heard before.
Shamblesguru: Is Social Object the same as Digital Media?
Cal Stanley: social objects are extremely important in mathematics, but I really don't see them yet in math
jashby: Is it like a ning?
greg limperis: Shambles, not all digital media is social
martakcalvo: Why do you call it na 'object'?
Shamblesguru: @Greg ... could be
martakcalvo: Isn't that a 'social theme'?
greg limperis: I agree but does not have to be
George Mayfield: EdModo, LearnCentral, Discovery Education Student Center, Math Wiki
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: This feels abstract to me not concrete.
Cal: pixton isn't a social object, though, is it?  cuz the construction of the object isn't a collaborative action
Andrew Forgrave: YES -- please give some examples of social objects ..
PeggyG: classroom20, learncentral, wikis
Fred Feldon: it sounds like a "vehicle" for social networking?
greg limperis: @shambles
john rosasco: I used Youtube and Photobucket to communicate to my students
kim caise: math and technology are my fortes but i am still unsure of the definition of a social object
Barb from Oz: an idea or device for sharing?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: How about a smartboard lessons on fractions?
sdreyer: @PeggyG especially when they are created using VoiceThread
kim caise: a discussion forum?
PeggyG: I agree sdreyer!
Cal: Ihor Charischak (CLIME ) can't get in... he suggests Math 2.0 is a contraction of Math and Web 2.0... not a software upgrade.
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): A means for people to communicate and collaborate?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: smartboard?
greg limperis: Video share on teachertube, would that be a social object?
Cal Stanley: a mathematical social object would be equations/expresssions that can be easily shared on the web
Khou Vang: a social object can be skype, myspace, email....
Lorraine Leo: So a social object would be something that is created with a web 2.0 tool?
martakcalvo: an 'entity;, or a 'theme' seems more appropriate than an 'object'
Tammy Moore: A math product that can be shared in a socail platform?
Andrew Forgrave: So perhaps a voice thread showing a set of polygons with students contributing their understandings of what might be similarities or differences ...
George Mayfield: podcasts, screencasts
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: A lessson
Maria H Andersen: How about shared bookmarks, mindmaps, discussion boards
greg limperis: Lorraine, that sounds like a good definition
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Sounds like a lesson plan on a specific topic.
kim caise: a blog post
greg limperis: Maria, I would agree Diigo shared bookmarks would be
PeggyG: inspiration charts that can be shared online--especially webspiration where people can collaborate in creating the mindmap
ccross: It's not just the vehicle, but it contains some content or ideas or discussion fr people to react to--at least in my definition
Andrew Forgrave: How about a scale model that a group of students build as they work to understand measurement?
greg limperis: These are all things that can be placed on a Ning
mbteach: any object that is created through a collaboration between people
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: conversation about math
Cal Stanley: a specific video on youtube would be an example of a social object, but the video would not necessarily have to be on youtube, it could be on any video platform
Kathy Goins: a completed fishbone where students discuss it merits on a wiki
kim caise: object that fosters conversations
barbarawp: like our definition of social object that we are coming up eith here
Andrew Forgrave: sounds like the object + the student discussion = social object
Barb from Oz: @Kathy Fishbone?
Shamblesguru: Quote="Another way to describe a social object is as the centerpiece in a dialogue between two or morepeople. People don’t just talk — they tend to talk “around” objects. For example, if I’m speaking to my mother about the flowers I sent her, the flowers are the social object."
PeggyG: this is a new way of thinking of it for me--wasn't really familiar with the term "social object"
PeggyG: that's very helpful for me Shamblesguru!
greg limperis: @shambles where is the definition from?
Cal Stanley: we don't have the ability to share equations with students, nor do students have a way to share equations with us
Maria H Andersen: how about an object around which a conversation forms ... an interactive applet, a video, or an engaging blog post
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Please give an example of this in Elementary school.
Andrew Forgrave: Sounds like a "learning artifact" that is extended with discussion transforms into a "social object."
martakcalvo: So, do you mean the results of the social meeting? Or the communication the occures around it?
Maria H Andersen: @Carl Um ... yes we do
Tammy Moore: Ahh.
Andrew Forgrave: So is the "no trace" important, or is the "trace" important?
Cal: @Deb-Portsmouth ... definitely Voicethread
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Fractual makers on the web?
kim caise: @cal stanley, what do you mean that we dont have a way to share equations with students?
Shamblesguru: My quote above from http://tr.im/rtMV
Cal Stanley: in this environment, show me a square root function
greg limperis: Thanks shambles
Cal Stanley: you can't here nor can you on wikis blogs or twitters
Fred Feldon: sqrt(16) = 4
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: http://www.dangries.com/Flash/FractalMaker.html
Maria H Andersen: @Cal I can
kim caise: sure you can in here
greg limperis: What is Scratch?
Cal Stanley: Fred I understand what you did, but its not mathematical correct
kim caise: you can in words or on the whiteboard
George Mayfield: i agree that math instruction typically not object oriented
Cal Stanley: it is only correct as code
Fred Feldon: sqrt(16) = +/-4
martakcalvo: Why is technology necessary, or helpful?
Andrew Forgrave: Second Life, Scratch, Geometer's Sketchpad let students construct, but do they support "social objects" without an add-on conversational environment?
Maria H Andersen: @cal http://www36.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Solve+sqrt(x-3)%3D4
greg limperis: Thanks Andrew
Andrew Forgrave: Okay -- the Scratch site supports sharing and collaboration ...
George Mayfield: I am on LearnCentral --- good way to continue the discussion
Laura Schaffer: which web 2.o apps best to create math social objects?
Maria H Andersen: @cal http://www36.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x^2-4%2C+2x-3
Cal Stanley: wolfram alpha is great if you know the code, not typical for 8th graders
greg limperis: Will we get the URL's Steve?
Cal: @maria/cal : would you use elluminate with your kids... it would show in GDocs, which you would use in class
George Mayfield: math playground a great site
kim caise: you can save the chat at the end of this session greg
greg limperis: Yeah I know but the urls of these sites she is showing Kim are not shown
kim caise: as well as the whiteboard
Maria H Andersen: @cal http://screencast.com/t/PkFmEjBY
jashby: go to file and you can save whiteboard and chat
Maria H Andersen: @cal also I use vyew and wiziq (both free)
Cal Stanley: you all are giving good examples, but they are not social networking tools
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: http://illuminations.nctm.org/
mbteach: I don't think these tools have to be social networking.  They have to be collaborative.
sdreyer: If you have Moodle, there is a Scratch Course that you can download and install. I can't remember where I got it from.
Shamblesguru: Is this list of urls available .... I cannot type fast enough .... and eat breakfast at the same time   
Maria H Andersen: I've got most of these archived on my mindmap of Internet tools for math: http://tinyurl.com/7rdr33
Cal Stanley: social means that all parties involved can enter equations
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: instructables
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): http://docs.google.com/Present?docid=ddjkthrd_337c92vwpd6
PeggyG: @sdreyer-I would love to know where you found the Scratch course for Moodle!!
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): This is the link to the Google presentation of this slide show.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: escher's
Maria H Andersen: @Cal I think that W|A is starting to give us that easy ability to share equations & graphs via a hyperlink
Cal: @calstanley ... my students develop solutions on GDocs with equation collaboratively (and teachers are doing it now at PCMI math camp)
greg limperis: Where is the link Steve?
Cathy E: yes, would love to have the Scratch Moodle
colleenk: Maria, there seem to be a lot of examples of Math 2.0. Are you hoping to see more? Different kinds?
sdreyer: You can also use Google docs for sharing and collaboration of math problems.
greg limperis: Never mind Steve
DanR 2: It seems that environments such as LearnCentral could lend themselves to the evolution of a Math 2.0 environ, where mathematical discussions and collaborative problem solving takes place among teachers, students and parents in an ongoing fashion. Imagine shared whiteboards and Web 2.0 tools that coud be employed in such environments.
Cal Stanley: agree on W|A
Jeff Cooper: one of the biggest problems is finding ways to problem solve interactively.  http://www.mathway.com lets you do some problem solving individually... but i really don't see sites that have good tools plus interactivity.
Andrew Forgrave: I see the 2.0 being an important part of a Math 2.0 definition, and not necessarily the technological 2.0 connotation -- how do we need to help students learn math differently in a re-thinking of Mathematics education...
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Maria, what were you worrying about when you first got on tonight?
Maria H Andersen: @DanR Shared whiteboards ... try vyew, also contextual chat and discussion
PeggyG: @TammyMoore-you are doing amazing things with math 2.0 on Elluminate!!
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I think children early development and playing doing early puzzles etc..are missing in our children.
Tammy Moore: My kids make games too
Maria H Andersen: @andrew forgrave ... um, can't say how, but give it a year   
Cal Stanley: Exactly they need a pallete to create mathematical objects
Andrew Forgrave: We need to re-think math education in the new context of learning with technology ...
George Mayfield: yes, it worries me it is a problem
colleenk: Yes, I understand.
George Mayfield: not a lot of good math video intruction sites
Maria H Andersen: mathtv.com?
colleenk: Maria, can you give examples of the sort of objects you'd like to see kids make?
Cathy E: @Maria are you involved in developing the new math curriculum for North Carolina
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Right.
greg limperis: I agree Steve
mbteach: most online math activities are drill & practice or simple computation games. At least in K-6 arena.
George Mayfield: i find many of the video sites to be amatuerish and "cheesy"
greg limperis: It is a matter of making the tools adapt and work for the math application though
barbarawp: being creative and sharing with math would help the students really understand it better.
Andrew Forgrave: @Maria H Andersen -- do I need to give it a year (in my personal practice) or do we need to give the web a year to provide examples?  I'm finding value in this notion of a "social object" -- that, alone could change an approach to teaching math ..
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: but isn't number theory the building blocks
George Mayfield: i agree
david hoo: http://math247.pbworks.com
Maria H Andersen: @Andrew Forgrave ... I mean, wait a year and you'll see something completely different. But that's all I can say
Shamblesguru: I have a ist of "Maths+ICT" links but most are not social http://www.shambles.net/pages/learning/MathsP/mathsict/
FGrose: A music connection would be good.
david hoo: http://math247.pbworks.com
DanR 2: I agree with Andrew Forgrave. IMath 2.0 encompasses more than the Web 2.0 technology. The tech are new tools that allow for more mathematical sense-making.
david hoo: http://math247.pbworks.com Mathtv.com
Andrew Forgrave: Anyone familiar with the teaching strategy "Bansho" ?  Took part in a demonstration of this strategy in a math context this afternoon. Quite interesting.
George Mayfield: yeah, math symbols are hard to use
Andrew Forgrave: Granted -- formulas and other math requirements are more difficult to render with a computer keyboard ...
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I love to have children discover area with geoboards and smartboards.
Andrew Forgrave: Voicethreads seems like a natural for exploring "social objects" for students with math ..
plnaugle: @david hoo link doesn't work for math247
martakcalvo: Children first need to be given math tools, and then use them. Than happens most in one on one interaction. Does it have to leave a trace on-line? It woiuld be nice if it did, but is it necessary?
barbarawp: graphic organizer tools and drawing tools that are collaborative could be used.
George Mayfield: LearnCentral Group would be excellent.  I have joined already
Cal Stanley: We need to get support from NCTM, AMATYC, MAA
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Guess the rule...in algebra
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I love graphing calculators and excel for algebra
kim caise: try again paula, it was a good link
plnaugle: I'm a fourth grade teacher of math in New Orleans.
Andrew Forgrave: @Maria H Andersen -- you're piquing my curiosity -- not sure I want to wait at year!  Can you provide clues?
Tammy Moore: I think Elluminate has been my most ruseful resource to talk interactively with kids about math related problems. It is quicka and easy to bring in a graph, write out equations, draw manipulatives, app share geogebra, etc.
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): http://www.learncentral.org/node/5315
Maria H Andersen: maybe we need a #mathchat once a week (in the style of #lrnchat)
Maria H Andersen: one sec
Maria H Andersen: no mic attached
mbteach: Sounds like there's a need for a Web 2.0 tool that will help with using math tools and make it easier to use symbols.
colleenk: A weekly math chat is a great isea.
colleenk: idea
Cal: using tablet computers has made it a lot easier for me and my students to communicate mathematically
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: What is working for teaching math?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Children are falling behind?
Tammy Moore: @Cal - good point
Fred Feldon: Tablet PC has changed my life!
Amy T: I think that such things are more useful when they are not one-time things.
Jeff Cooper: I host Math Resources K-20+ at Tapped In http://www.tappedin.org ...first Tuesday fromn 5-6p.m. Pacific.
Andrew Forgrave: Math chat would be good. As folks share and discuss examples of "social objects" the understanding and practice around there use would emerge.
greg limperis: Maybe use a vcast room too?
greg limperis: It is an Elluminate room for people to meet I think
Linda Wilson: http://groups.diigo.com/groups/mathaccess
Cal: As a 1:1 school, we usually kept our laptops closed during math class... now, we're the most earnest users of the tablet...
Jeff Cooper: the trouble is... systems like elluminate don't have math symbols... systems like mathway have the symbols, but not the collaborative possibilities.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I would love ideas for teaching math.
plnaugle: Use #math2.0 on twitter
Tammy Moore: Are there graphics skilled art types in here? Tools for communicating in a whiteboard setting can open many new ways to work easily with math concepts.
kim caise: what was that hashtag again? #lrnchat?
greg limperis: Steve, am I right on what a VCAST isi?
martakcalvo: The main problem with creating 'math objects' is that children are trained in the mechanics of math, rather than given tools to do mathemathics.
mbteach: what day of the week?  or is it every day?
George Mayfield: twitter chat a great idea
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): except you can't have dots in tags on twitter, I think
Cal: then math20 ?  We're 18 versions ahead, then
PeggyG: Join the Mathcasts group and contribute teacher/student made voicethreads - http://math247.pbworks.com/K-7+Mathcasts+500+Project
Shamblesguru: Web 2.0 Maths Tools and Opportunities are scattered around the individual areas at http://www.shambles.net/mathematics/ and general Web 2.0 tools at http://www.shambles.net/web2/ which are not subject (curr) dependent ... but have never really thought about Web 2.0 being text focussed rather than number
Maria H Andersen: http://lrnchat.wordpress.com/
Tammy Moore: I think when we can get away from a keyboard to dwork with math we will find Math 2.0 happening more easily. Need tablets, whiteboards, digital manipulatives
George Mayfield: there are others I'd like to join in our group, but need a good ad to use on them
Maria H Andersen: Sorry - gotta go ... you can always join our conversation about math 2.0, math, technology, and higher ed at http://www.teachingcollegemath.com
Fred Feldon: Over 1,000 social networking sites at http://www.appappeal.com/web-2-0-application-world-mosaic
martakcalvo: Thank you Maria for the great links. Where can I find the list?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Math is the cornerstone of the universe!
Andrew Forgrave:   
plnaugle: Math is the universal language.
erin montagne: One of the reasons I think we don't see more math objects online is real obvious...it is the input device. Tablet technology for creating mathcasts is great, but it is expensive.
erin montagne: Wacom tablets simply don't work that well for mathcasts
Cal: not really, Erin... graphic tablet ~70$US
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I love the iBM commercial.. about math
Cal: it's what I used for 2 years before getting a tablet PC
erin montagne: @cal...they are extraordinarily difficulty to manipulate
Tammy Moore: I try to model how scientists figured out science formulas. How formulas are constructed from raw data. THe kids begin to see how math works instead of merely doing it mechanically
colleenk: @Deb Do you have a twitter name?
PeggyG: those Livescribe pens are amazing for creating digital social objects   
erin montagne: we've tried 'em...they aren't nearly as useful as pen based input devices
Shamblesguru: @Fred ... not seen that url before ... thanks
erin montagne: @PeggyG...the livescribe has some potential for certain
Andrew Forgrave: The Livescribe PULSE pentop computer has great potential to support math education --- http://www.livescribe.com/smartpen/videos.html
martakcalvo: Math is great in itself, for its own sake. Utility emerges as a side-effect.
colleenk: @Deb Too bad, I would have followed you.
erin montagne: It seems like the math curriculum in the US is designed for people who want to become Math majors in college
PeggyG: yes, Andrew-that's the pen that Tim Fahlberg described for his mathcasts
Tammy Moore: Letting children problem solve together online would be good
Amy T: @erin I agree.  And working backward from math major, there's not enough time for kids to play!
martakcalvo: That's why it's such a pity math is presented only as a tool to do something else.
erin montagne: how do we change the eco-system so we see more multi-disciplinary math, STEM (science, engineering, technology), etc
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Maria's website:  http://www.naturalmath.com/
Amy T: I'd like to see more of the ART of mathematics...
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Back to good old fashion playing.. I spent hours playing role playing etc.
Andrew Forgrave: So do the math social objects need to come from the "real world" rather from the artificial "textbook world" ?  So students are accessing the context and purpose via a real, valid object?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Music and math
erin montagne: @Amy - That is a wonderful idea! Exploring the intersection of art, technology, and design
PeggyG: digital photography is a great way to integrate math learning
colleenk: @Deb Just your math ideas. I'm colleenk on Twitter. I'd be happy to help you build a network of teachers.
George Mayfield: makes complete sense, my at risk students need the real life connections
jashby: @Andrew I bought a pen in washington hope to use it for running records as well like to get more ideas
Shamblesguru: numbers+iPhone+internet=Maths 2.0    
Amy T: Unfortunately, in a MATH class, there's not a lot of opportunity (when faced with all the standards, tests, prep for next course, etc.) to play and see the beauty of math.
Amy T: (Lockhart's Lament...)
George Mayfield: right on maria
Cal: They're writing math standards as we speak...  http://www.corestandards.org/ get your opinion in
Heather Blanton: I think Math 2.0 is just about building context around the concepts.
erin montagne: @George...I would take it a step further...all kids need it to connect to real world
Robb Ponton: We have "anti-matter"; why not "anti-math" - math that has no purpose other than fun and play?
Tammy Moore: I teach biology and create biomysteries for the kids to solve as a team. In chemistry I have chemysteries. Could there be such a thing as math Mysteries?
erin montagne: @Amy T - change the assessment and the learning will follow
davidweksler: math is the underpinning for many of those topics - making the connections is important and motivational
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Sylvia Martinez
Cal: Well Achieve & College Board are helping to write the new standards... and they're in charge of setting the assessments
sdreyer: Our elementry teachers use the screen recorder in ACTIV Inspire to create math casts to upload to Voicethread and to add to their iPods.
Amy T: I'd love to have kids not be afraid.  I'd love them to not hate it.
erin montagne: @Amy...buy you are totally correct...the assessment culture that we are in makes changes in learning very difficult
erin montagne: *but
erin montagne: but again, if the assessment paradigm can be shifted, the learning will follow
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): bridges between situated mathematics and subject mathematics
plnaugle: @tammy moore That sounds like a great idea "math mysteries".
erin montagne: a new assessment paradigm has to include learning portfolios
George Mayfield: Erin: my students are dropouts, they need the real life connections to a variety of subjects
PeggyG: I agree plnaugle--"real world math mysteries"   
mbteach: What about having students work as teams to solve problems online that require math skills/computations/reasoning, etc..
greg limperis: Where do you teach George?
mbteach: Competitiions between teams, even.
Susie: my kids learned a lot from something as simple as the math pentathlon games-they were social interaction, and some included some in-depth concepts.  I don't think games are used enough to illustrate the beauty of numbers
Fred Feldon: Second Life might be a great place to have these activities
Sara: could you use google docs and things are updated in real time?
greg limperis: Were you an Eagle Scout Steve?
jeffmason: yes
Cathy E: @George - all kids need the real life math
DanR 2: I've been working on ideas with colleagues re a Math 2.0 platform that encompasses the collaboartive nature of LearnCentral (and elluminate) the addition of math tools (online manipulatives, animated math models, math type, sketch pads, geojabra, etc) and the aspect of community for professional development and teacher-to-student, student-to-student, and parent-to-teacher communication. It recognizes that math-ed is more than curriciulum and textbooks--it also includes PD, content learning for teachers and parents, access to support and learning opportunities in a real time fashion.  I think having a weekly chat and group is an excellent place to discuss and explore these ideas.
davidweksler: Trignometry exercise - finding height of a telephone pole
George Mayfield: opefully at Goal Academy Charter School in Pueblo, CO
Shamblesguru: Chop the pole down ... measure with ruler
Shamblesguru: easy
greg limperis: Sorry, I though you and I had something in common
colleenk: Math Playground has a real world math project (connections between school math and careers) coming out in September.
Fred Feldon: See "Your Next Student Might be an Avatar" at slideshare.net
plnaugle: Yes you can find the height of a pole by measuring its shadow.
Cal Stanley: google docs will be transforming into google wave - which will give real time updates
Barb from Oz: We did the width of the highway with a Yr8 maths class...
Tammy Moore: I challenged my kids to help me figure out if it was cheaper for us to add my teen driver to our insurance or for me to drive her to her activities in town. It was a great opportunity for them to utilize linear algebra graphing.
greg limperis: Tell your son Steve I said congrads.  I know it is hard work
erin montagne: @shambles...love the divergent thinking!
Heather Blanton: I love the Google Earth math lessons.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: My son just graduated in Mechanical Engineering and everything was done in collaborative groups.
Susie: I hated those flag pole problems!
david hoo: This interview is very very anti web 2.0 where Maria is doing all the talking and wejust have to listen. This is not at all participatory and interactive
Andrew Forgrave: This is a very valuable discussion.
Shamblesguru: or ... use the spirit level on iPhone to measure angle .. then trig it
mbteach: @Shamblesguru even better, measure with your iPhone!
Andrew Forgrave: Love that answer --- completely counterintuitive!
erin montagne: @Deb...your son's experience in higher ed is an important one for K12 to take note of
Robb Ponton: Chopping the pole down is an example of anti-math - anti-math involves divergent thinking. When is a quarter worth more than a dollar?
Andrew Forgrave: Find the height of the skyscraper using a tape measure -- same answer!
greg limperis: Nice thinking Robb
Susie: @Robb when the coke machine won't take bills!
greg limperis: Funny Susie but so true
Kathy Goins: As an English teacher, I am very interested in constructed responses to math.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: A friend of mine mentor my son with her son and created study groups and had a mentor with them. Even thou they were top students.. I will be grateful forever.
Andrew Forgrave: I have two coins in my pocket that add to 30 cents. One of them is not a quarter. What are the coins?
Cathy E: Where is Maria? What is your job?
mbteach: @Shambles..great minds think alike!
DanR 2: Are the displayed lnks captured for copy or download?
Robb Ponton: Exactly - there's no one right answer that - completely against our text book math learning.
Amy T: quarter and a nickel
plnaugle: Math Olympics are fun ways to get kids doing great math activities.
martakcalvo: Math becomes 'real world' when you get real math. Very few teachers can teach it. Is social network going to replace that missing instruction?
colleenk: I built a math tool to be used in Second Life. It works liek Papert's LOGO turtle.
Cal Stanley: there is no way to enter mathematics into second life
Andrew Forgrave: Read today about the ability to create objects using MIT's Scratch 4 SL
Amy T: I've been to SL
Chris Fritz: yes
mbteach: yes
Shamblesguru: OH YES !
Tammy Moore: yes, been there
George Mayfield: yes
Cathy E: yes to SL
kim caise: yes but it is blocked on most campuses
Susie: yes
davidweksler: yes been to SL but no math
Judy Spicer: Yes
Cal: Yes
Andrew Forgrave: I've been there twice.
ellenquilt: yes
Katherine: yup.
sdreyer: yes
Heather Blanton: no, but I will mention this lack of math to the VSTE SL team
Khou Vang: what is it?
bostechNZ: yep
jeffmason: yes
plnaugle: Just starting to get involved in SL.
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): yes
greg limperis: I am not sure if SL has really taken off in education below high school leve
Cindy K.: I need to take another look at Second Life.
carolteach4: I've been to Second Life, but I find it really confusing. I need a guide.
Beth from Canada: yes...have been to 2nd life...but I found it hard to walk, fly, sit etc
Amy T: my MS kids can't do SL.
davidweksler: don't you have to be 18 to do SL?
Andrew Forgrave: Again, Scratch 4 SL allows you to create/program objects for SL
mbteach: there's a teen island
mbteach: sorry, teen world
colleenk: There are math tools in Second Life.
kim caise: the teen grid would probably have more activities
Shamblesguru: I have a list of Maths places in SL on International Schools Island ... 3rd Floor of Curriculum Tower
George Mayfield: they are doing obesity research, haven't found any math
Andrew Forgrave: Just heard about it today
Chris Fritz: What would we do in the simulated real world of SecondLife that we couldn't do in the real world around us?
greg limperis: I haven't been to SL but know of it?
Heather Blanton: Are teachers really comfortable with SL teen grid?
Andrew Forgrave: No mic
Barb from Oz: Sandbox would seem a natural for Geometry...
greg limperis: Is there an age restriction for that site?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: MIT has great stuff online for physics
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): There is some situated math in SL - e.g. architechture islands
colleenk: @Maria There are math tools as well.
Kathy Goins: Anyone using constructed reponses with math?
Andrew Forgrave: http://web.mit.edu/~eric_r/Public/S4SL/
Andrew Forgrave: Scratch 4 SL http://web.mit.edu/~eric_r/Public/S4SL/
Amy T: Kathy, I was doing Problems of the day/week, where students had to solve and explain.
greg limperis: I know that students have to be 13 to use Ning?  is the same for SL
Barb from Oz: SL teen doesn't allow teachers outside their own "classrooms" I think...
kim caise: greg, i believe 13 is the age limit for the teen grid but not sure
colleenk: Scratch4SL will make development much easier.
plnaugle: @Kathy Goins Yes I do constructed math responses daily.
Amy T: I had a hard time being a teacher in teenSL
kim caise: was there an age limit for students @amy t?
greg limperis: So students below 7th grade can not participate
Fred Feldon: http://slurl.com/secondlife/SUNY%20Learning%20Network/230/156/24 created by Dr. Przemyslaw Bogacki at Old Dominion Univ
Fred Feldon: vectors, lines and planes VLP activity
Susie: This got my attention because I don't recall hearing much about math "events" like this
mbteach: @Kathy G We have to use CResp. for PSSA tests.  There's a grading rubric for them, too.
Amy T: @kim c, Yes, I was not allowed.  I didn't pursue it for long, so maybe there was a way, but not easily.
kim caise: you have to apply to use the teen grid and access is limited to protect students
Kathy Goins: Resources...I have written 24  problems, 24 student rubrics, and 24 teachers rubrics.  At grade 6 now and my English teacher brain is frozen thinking about math!
carolteach4: Have you seen arcademicskillbuilders.com -
carolteach4: http://arcademicskillbuilders.com/
kim caise: so many of us haven't used the teen grid
greg limperis: Kim, I know you can limit access on Ning too but the age restriction is still 13
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: I feel badly that our very bright students are stuck I am thinking about creating a Moodle for our elementary school
Shamblesguru: On reflection maybe we should have asked what Maths 1.0 was at the beginning of this ... too late now   p.s. have got some great urls in chat ... thanks guys
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): So, we need a manifesto
greg limperis: I agree Shambles great sites
mbteach: @Deb I would love to use Moodle!  It would require a server with enough capacity to run student & teachers accounts
sdreyer: The only teachers in my district that use our moodle are the elemenatry teachers.
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Can we start some kind of project? and collect data?
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): http://www.learncentral.org/node/5315
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): and a better picture (not my logo placeholder)
greg limperis: There was 5 members when you first posted it steve
carolteach4: What about DimensionX-has that been mentioned? I got here late.
mbteach: What did we decide about the Twitter hashtag?
Deb-Portsmouth, NH: Would someone like to model this type of math learning?... I have some students that I would have participate.
greg limperis: Steve, do we need to have been at NECC to be a part of that?
Amy T: twitter:  #math20   ?
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): @greg:  no, especially if you want to give input related to remote viewing.
colleenk: @carolteach4 Have you used DimensionX? Do students just answer math questions or do they collaborate and solve problems?
Moderator (Steve Hargadon): http://www.clicktools.com/survey?iv=b511f431804a6c8
greg limperis: @ Steve, I just asked that so you could tell that to the crowd
Andrew Forgrave: Thank you Maria for this very exciting topic!
PeggyG: very stimulating conversation-thanks Maria!
Cathy E: What is Maria's website?
Amy T: Thank you!
mbteach: Thanks!
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): Thank you, wonderful people!
Fred Feldon: shambles, what's your full name?
carolteach4: I ave only seen the demo of DimensionX, but it's like a video game where kids solve problems using math to move ahead.
sdreyer: Thanks
martakcalvo: Thank you!
Ben: Can we get a copy of the text?
Randy B.: Thank you.
Chris Fritz: *clapping*
carolteach4: Our CMT math tutor used it with his kids (DimensionX) and they loved it.
PeggyG: can we just stay in this room for the next session?
Moderator (Maria Droujkova): Everything will be on Future of Education (chat, voice, etc)
colleenk: @carolteach4 Thank you.
davidweksler: Thanks, Steve, THanks, Maria!!
Fred Feldon: Thanks!
Andrew Forgrave: Thanks Steve!